From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of SuperDave [chaucerwatch@netscape.net] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 5:42 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Innocent bystander trouble. Jonas wrote: > She is 16 years old and all her living relatives where in the sect > (read : in the base). She has seen the Avatar and might make people > unearth unpleasant things at the farm. I'm assuming that she isn't a frothing-at-the-mouth cultie, or the agents would've "taken care of her" by now. > What would Delta Green do about her? > > - Termination? Doesn't really sound like DG to me. All depends on your take on DG. > - Put her under medication in a mental hospital with a faked history >   of something like acute paranoia? Still a bit harsh. She is after all >   only an innocent bystander who knows a bit too much. > > - Tell her that the sect-leader accidentally unleashed a biological >   weapon in the base and that the Agents were there to investigate it. >   And to avoid public panic she has to keep quiet of what happened. >   Then send her to foster-parents and have a 'friendly' psychiatrist fake >   some records of her mental breakdown in case she decides to >   go public about it? More dangerous but nicer. Both of these require, of course, cooperative doctors. For example, if they tried to put her in the care of Doc (now a supporting character in TWO, count 'em, TWO big Delta Green Mailing List stories), well, he'd take her if he thought she'd be worse off if he refused, but he'd be very pissed off about the situation and would be quite demanding that the agents help him solve this problem and get her into a stable situation as quickly as possible. He'd be very reluctant to fake records that could destroy an innocent's reputation--although, as a former DG agent, he'd probably fake records that might help her without harming her. Certainly he'd focus on helping HER, not helping the AGENTS. What I'm saying is, the process of taking care of the girl could be an adventure unto itself, replacing the usual fear of immanent death with the stress of dealing with the doctor, the girl and themselves. And if they do it well, they will probably feel pretty good about it afterwards--maybe even earn some SAN back. And they could earn the respect (or the wrath, depending how they handle it) of DG's main psychiatrist. Dave PS: Thank you for the concern re: the earthquake, Stabernide; I (and, I assume, Ed, as we're in the same city) felt nothing, nor can I find anything on the various news agencies. Perhaps that was a quake of the recent past? Or the quake that hit the Philippines? Anyway, I wish Jay Noyes well, just in case. The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of SuperDave [chaucerwatch@netscape.net] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 5:52 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Battlechimp Potemkin FOREVER! http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/reuters20001115_2902.html "It was an amazing sight to see the robot in my lab move, knowing that it was being driven by signals from a monkey brain at Duke (university)," Mandayam Srinivasan, of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), said in a statement. "It was as if the monkey had a 600-mile-long virtual arm." God, I love science! DG relevance? Aw, come on! Can't you just see the legions of monkey-brain controlled robot marauders? OK, that's for a comedy break, I admit...but this could be cover for research into developing prosthetics for a braincased human, recovered from the Mi-Go by a DG op. This is just the first step in creating a remotely-controlled robot body for her. (But at some point, the monkey-controlled robot just HAS to go nuts and trash the lab. Having it climb the Empire State Building may go a little too far, I must admit.) Dave The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of ialdaloboth *genzundheit!* [ialdaloboth@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 5:53 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Japan? I'm not seeing anything on CNN... (3:50 am pacific american time, 3:50 pm in the UAE where I am) But that doesn't mean it didn't happen J. Edward _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Nick Brownlow [stabernide@netscape.net] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 6:03 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: [Re: DG: Japan?] >Thank you for the concern re: the earthquake, Stabernide; hey, I'm just glad everybody's still alive :) "ialdaloboth *genzundheit!*" wrote: >I'm not seeing anything on CNN... (3:50 am pacific american time, 3:50 >pm in >the UAE where I am) But that doesn't mean it didn't happen Nothing here either. I'm starting to worry about the part which said it was a *French* news agency behind the report... ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Davide Mana [doctor.dee@libero.it] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 5:42 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Innocent bystander trouble. Greetings. Jonas suddenly realized that >The trouble is the girl. Target acquired. >She is 16 years old and all her living relatives where in the sect >(read : in the base). She has seen the Avatar and might make people >unearth unpleasant things at the farm. > >What would Delta Green do about her? I'd say she could be trouble just as long as she's perceived as a reliable witness. Therefore, it's vital to asses what her attitude towards the whole thing is, what she actually saw, how she interpreted it, and what she's planning to do with the lot. In other words: drop the girl in containment and let simmer for 24 hours. No isolation, mind you, just a firm "We're holding you for your own good". At this point, have her interviewed by someone she has never seen before, better if with professional psychological training. The fact that she was present when the Thing rampaged does not mean she perceived it the same way that agents did. There's a different cultural background, there's shock. Discover what she thinks she saw and act accordingly. Does she rationalize what she witnessed? Does she give it a supernatural, faith-tinged interpretation? At that point, you decide on your course, finding the best way to discredit her as a witness or to push her towards willing retirement from social life. >- Termination? Doesn't really sound like DG to me. Termination means dead bodies. Dead bodies need a lot of work. Termination is the last option. [also, the good keeper does not allow killing off of possible future scenario hook] >- Put her under medication in a mental hospital with a faked history > of something like acute paranoia? Still a bit harsh. She is after all > only an innocent bystander who knows a bit too much. "In my experience there is not such thing as an innocent bystander". The girl should have chosen her parents with more foresight. A quick get-out would be to pump her full of and then pay for her rehab. Then go and talk about rampaging monsters, kid. A less harsh solution in the same vein could be found by simply reinforcing her impressions. If she was in an integralist Christian sect (or that was what they posed for) and thinks he saw the evil, maybe a life of preyer in some out-of-the-way monastery would not look bad to her. In my Dreamers stories, Val would probably "mess around with her", somehow relocating the border between wakefulness and dream in her memory. Cause her to doubt the reality of what she remembers. There should be Outlook-sponsored ways of obtaining the same, but as you noted, they're harsh. >- Tell her that the sect-leader accidentally unleashed a biological > weapon in the base and that the Agents were there to investigate it. > And to avoid public panic she has to keep quiet of what happened. > Then send her to foster-parents and have a 'friendly' psychiatrist fake > some records of her mental breakdown in case she decides to > go public about it? More dangerous but nicer. Could be the solution should she act rational about the whole mess. Or a variation thereof. The fact is, 16 is an awkward age - she's no kid to be shushed and sent back to bed with a "there's no bogeys" lecture, and she's not old enough to be set in her way enough to be predictable (predictable individuals are easy to manipulate). And this is it, I guess. Hope this helps the poor kid ;-> Davide "No Solution is Easy" Mana Torino, Italy The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Crossingham, Adam [Adam.Crossingham@markelintl.com] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 6:44 AM To: 'dgrpg@delta-green.com' Subject: DG: [Research Help] Myer's "Passing of a Dreamer" I'm researching a small article on the Cats of Ulthar, and Ulthar itself. I need to refer to Garry Myer's story "Passing of a Dreamer" which can be found in his collection "House of the Worm". I do not have this story, or know anyone I can borrow it from. I'm hoping that some helpful soul on the list will be able to help me out with a summary of information. I need to know what the story says about: 1. the Keeper of Dreams, possible attitude of keeper to felines 2. Ulthar 3. Cats; of Ulthar, and their possible interaction with the Keeper, are cats affected in the same way as humans by the Keeper? Yes, I've seen the 'Complete Dreamlands' supplement entry, but I need to go back to source to check minor details. Thanks in advance for your assistance. -- Adam Crossingham The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Mr. Zero [mrzero@ego-subversion.com] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 7:35 AM To: Delta Green (E-mail) Subject: Re: DG: Innocent bystander trouble. Jonas } She is 16 years old and all her living relatives where in the sect } (read : in the base). She has seen the Avatar and might make people } unearth unpleasant things at the farm. } } What would Delta Green do about her? As has been said, it all depends on your take on DG. My players would probably find some humane way to deal with her, while former Lt. Kerrigan would probably just hand her over to Beliel or kill her himself. why? Because there are terrible things that must be done, and we're the only one's strong enough to do them. ;) sean -- mrzero@ego-subversion.com ICQ: 44564776 http://www.ego-subversion.com/ http://www.ego-subversion.com/~mrzero liberation through detonation Baphomet has a posse The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Yossi Gurvitz [ygurvitz@netvision.net.il] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 7:50 AM To: Delta Green Subject: DG: Behind the Tractor Shed Darkness. Cold. A flickering cigarette. Stinking smoke. The Red October Kolhoz, somewhere outside of Kiev. October 11th, 1937 (New Reckoning). Pyotr and I are lying here for two hours already, behind the tractor shade (which looks empty to me - is it possible our Glorious Socialist Progress hasn't reached these parts?). Darkness, cold. Had I wanted to be suspected of contra-revolutionary-Trotskist tendacies, I'd have said, "as cold as a witch's tit". But I don't. I always preferred the darkness, and the Popular Court has floodlights, and they are always trained on the accused. Once, it was candle-light; indeed, Socialist Progress has brought us far. Then again, I'm just a kapitan. Who will bother with putting me on trial? A bullet in the back of the neck and a shallow grave are the best I can expect. Avoid this chain of thought, Gennadi. Concentrate on the mission. Pyotr lights another cigarette, giving it to me. I nod, inhaling the smoke. Concentrate on the mission. Keep your treasonous thoughts for the bath house. Well, the mission, the reason me and serzhant Pyotr lie here, like a couple of abused dogs, behind the socialist and empty tractor shed of the progressive kolhoz named after Red October, outside popular Kiev, is a guy called Viktor Ryakov. Comrade Viktor is the chairman of the worker's assembly of the Red October kolhoz, outside Kiev - or, to use a capitalist and treasonous term, the boss. And, the way your luck is going, he's got connections in the NKVD. I sincerely hope not. Nobody notices when someone - even the chairman of a worker's assembly of a kolhoz - disappears. But the NKVD do notice when one of their own stops ratting on his fellows - that is, he stops doing his socialist duty in the struggle against the evil powers of imperialism. Keep your cynicism for later. Concentrate on the mission. The mission, naturally. Well, it looks as if Comrade Viktor was not, shall we say, perfectly accurate in his statement of loyalty to the Party. He said that, before the Revolution, he was an "expert on agriculture", and that's practically what gave him the coveted position as the chairman of the worke… as the boss of the kolhoz. And with the mess of the Civil War, when papers disappeared, archives burned to the ground, and czars got shot, he had a reason to believe nobody would ever track him down. He believed wrong. Darkness, cold. Pyotr lights up another cigarette. As I said, he was wrong. GRU got what passed for the White Army's archives, and this year - after a very long while, which says something about the eagerness of the good socialists in the GRU's archives - some bright kid tracked down traffic between one White colonel to another, in which the first White colonel tells of a guy called V. Ryakov, who leads a bizarre religious cult outside Kiev, adding that members of said cult are willing to fight for the czar, if they are supplied with arms and trained. The second colonel replied in the negative, saying that they were speaking of heretics, of anti-Christians worshipping the devil as the Great Mother, practicing obscene rites, so that no Christian army can draft them into its ranks, even ignoring the fact that, as devil worshippers, they were most likely in contact with the revolutionaries. Idiot. He was an idiot, but he gave us Comrade Victor. He gave us physical description, age, and the name of the village in which our trusted socialist was born - all of which match. And he gave us an appellation for him, a name that still runs shivers down my spine. Skopsi. Inhaling some more smoke. Skopsi. A castration cult, a religious cult so bizarre even the czars refused to suffer its existence. During the Revolution, they were stamped out - and who knows who did the stamping, us or the White Cossacks? - but SV8's files - all such files make their way, eventually, to SV8 - hint of something far worse. GRU has people in every military unit. Just outside of Kiev, doing nothing whatsoever, sits the 23rd Guards Division. Our man there reported Comrade Viktor is teaching the loyal socialist comrades of the kolhoz "ancient Russian nature rites". Just what I've thought. Which is why Pyotr and me are here. The Revolution taught us that almost all social diseases can be cured with the right application of a small dose of lead to the back of the neck, and we're here to demonstrate the lesson. On the other hand, lead bullets make lots of noise, and the good socialist comrades might object to us releasing their Chairman from the worries of supplying the food amounts demanded by Moscow. They might not see it as a favor. Therefore, Pyotr and me are armed with silenced handguns. Inhaling again, lighting one cigarette by another. Why am I here? Oliegin is much better at this. He is much more experienced. You are here, Gennadi, because you can sneak up there without being noticed by the dogs, and because you can open any lock less complicated than those used by the Bank of England. Don't start, now; you've killed before. He carries more guilt than most. Darkness. Cold. Another cigarette. And another. The last light on the kolhoz is out; time to move. I nod at Pyotr. He nods back, getting the sniper rifle out of the bag. If someone tries to prevent me from leaving, Pyotr will take him out. But I have to get in alone. Pyotr is big, strong, and clumsy. He won't manage to move without making a noise. I'll be safe getting out; getting in is something else. I start crawling. Crossing the barbed wire marking the borders of the kolhoz. Passing the empty tractor shed. Crouching. 200 meters to the residence of the Chairman of the kolhoz. 100 meters. 50 meters. Door. Locked. I pull - very quietly - a small wire from the bag. Inserting it into the lock. Wondering if there's any point in praying to St. Rosa of Luxemburg. Ignoring the treasonous line of thought. Twisting the wire. The door opens. Screeching. I swear at myself; should have oiled the axis. Tense seconds pass. No unusual sound. Either Comrade Viktor moves very quietly, or he's asleep. Onwards. Forward. A door leading to the bedroom. This time, I meticulously oil the axis. The door, it turns out, is unlocked. Small bedroom. On the bed, breathing heavily, lies Viktor. Three steps, reaching the bed, pressing the barrel to his temple, pulling the trigger. A Muffled shot. Brain parts flying in the air. Blood on the sheets, blood on my cloths. A sharp smell, of cordite and blood and death, is in the air. Waiting, quietly. No lights are turned on. Nobody notices. A quick search reveals a safe. It yields after a short struggle, and is full of documents. I sweep them into a bag. Exit. Uneventful. I reach the tractor shed, bypass it, crawling below the barbed wire, stand up, and start running toward the truck. Pyotr waits 90 seconds, then joins me, running. After running a kilometer, we reach the pride of Soviet industry, a Zil truck, which puts capitalist scorn to scorn by starting after only three minutes. Pyotr drives. He hands me a bottle of Vodka. He knows the procedure. My hands tremble, but I make a point of not losing a drop. Relax, Gennadi, I tell myself. He was a scum. You've read the files. After this, the world is cleaner. Drink some more, and relax. Why, then, do I feel so dirty? The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Graeme Price [graemep@immagene.MCG.EDU] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 8:55 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Innocent bystander trouble. Further to previous answers: >- Termination? Doesn't really sound like DG to me. Why not? If the players are unscrupulous enough to do it (without prompting), let them. Then hit them with the San loss, flashbacks and nightmares. Alternatively let Cell A (perhaps via a phone call from ANDREA) order them to do it - could create a nice friction with the leadership scenario... if you're into that sort of thing. >- Put her under medication in a mental hospital with a faked history > of something like acute paranoia? Still a bit harsh. She is after all > only an innocent bystander who knows a bit too much. Define "innocent". If they let her live she could turn out to be a real thorn in the side of the investigators. For example, devious Keepers might make her into a "gate" or "focus" for the avatar (after all, who's to know what sort of rituals her family subjected her to when she was too young to remember). Or she could dedicate her life to finding those who killed her family... and making them _Pay_. Putting her in the funny farm (at least for assessment following the emotional trauma she suffered during the death or her family) would seem like a humane option. She can always be let out later... once she has been assessed as "reliable". The more extreme version you describe involving faking the records.... well that's subjective isn't it. All you need is the two DG-friendly shrinks to sign the commital papers and a bit of creative medication and who's to say that she isn't a total drooling loon? (Note also that the side effect of brainwashing/memory adjustment chemicals is often the creation of a drooling loon). >- Tell her that the sect-leader accidentally unleashed a biological > weapon in the base and that the Agents were there to investigate it. > And to avoid public panic she has to keep quiet of what happened. > Then send her to foster-parents and have a 'friendly' psychiatrist fake > some records of her mental breakdown in case she decides to > go public about it? More dangerous but nicer. This is the riskiest option (unless you want to tell the truth.... nah. Sorry. What was I thinking?!!). Mentioning BW and all hell will break loose. But the latter part sounds reasonable in combination with the above option. Fake the records of her being the only survivor in the car crash which killed her family (possibly somewhere abroad and difficult to verify [but which fits in with the known profile of the family to make it believable] - during missionary work in Honduras, for example) and her subsequent breakdown and amnesia (with the assessment period in the nut house to buy time to get the papertrail in place). Then let her out on light medication (if she'll take it, which could be a problem) into the care of foster parents somewhere remote in the midwest. This has the advantage of providing a record of what happened to the family, leaving her alive with the opportunity to suceed in life, and totally destroying her credibility as a witness. Later Graeme graemep@immag.mcg.edu The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of John Stanley [JohnS@CENTROMINE.com] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 9:12 AM To: 'dgrpg@delta-green.com' Subject: DG: RE: Behind the Tractor Shed Nice story. Consise, with enough background to make this easily understandable. Please keep up the great work. The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of box_nine@ix.netcom.com Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 9:14 AM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: [Research Help] Myer's Adam wrote: >1. the Keeper of Dreams, possible attitude of keeper to felines Not addressed, really. Depends on whether you think cats have souls that the Keeper would want, or the equivalent. >2. Ulthar I'll check HOUSE OF THE WORM when I get home - don't recall much, aside from a brief description of the Keeper's abode. Note that the story builds off a reference to Snireth-Ko in (IIRC) "The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath." >3. Cats; of Ulthar, and their possible interaction with the Keeper, >are cats affected in the same way as humans by the Keeper? See #1 above. Steve The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 2:10 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: [Mason File] Any Given Sunday In a message dated Thu, 16 Nov 2000 3:41:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, The Man in Black writes: << The Dallas Knights (with their Steve Jackson Games inspired Illuminati Pyramid) got that way cause one of the graphic designers who worked on the film is a SJG fan. Dead serious. GURPS is all powerful. Bow Down TinselTown, the Illuminati is coming through! >> I doubt he snuck the design by Stone. Ollie likes his jokes as much as I do. And the Illuminati have no effect on Hollywood other than investing and hoping for the best, sort of like Japan found out when we tricked them into buying Columbia. The new, leaner meaner Discordians control Hollywood through the +4 gained from controlling the Cocaine Dealers. Also the +3 from controlling the Liberals. We have surrounded it with Weird groups that cannot be destroyed and if needed can unleash a wave of Motorcycle Gangs, Cattle Mutilators, Ecoterrorists and Michael Ovitz. If we can reproduce the landing at Normandy, we can do it somewhere else without blanks. "Don't look at the cameras! Just keep moving, like you're FIGHTING! Don't look at the camera! Shoot that way. THAT WAY! (Damn actors) Okay, cue the gunships and the Arclight." Mark McFadden The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Chris Womack [jcwomack@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 2:19 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: RE: DG: Innocent bystander trouble. Hey-- Jonas writes of a predicament involving a cult, a farm, a missile silo, and what to do with the lone survivor: [...] > They disable the elevator and bulldozer a large pile of earth > over the emergency exit. Since the sect were expecting to be > transported to a better world by God (well, one out of two > ain't half bad) they have left the surface parts of their > church (a farm) in perfect order so the Agents hope the > authorities won't suspect foul play and will miss the hidden > entrances to the missile base. Okay, screw the girl. Lots of other folks have made lots of suggestions; she doesn't interest me. What *does* interest me--or more to the point, utterly shatters my suspension of disbelief in this case, is that last sentence in the above statement. Authorities missing the entrances to a missile silo? Hello? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that the authorities have a *damn* good idea just where all the missile silos are, even the decommissioned ones. Yes, private individuals/organizations have bought missile silos and converted them to other uses (examples have been brought up on the list in the past), but that doesn't mean the authorities are just going to forget the thing ever existed. "Say, Sheriff, didn't there used to be a silo 'round these parts?" "Yep, but it got shut down and sold off. Cain't be here no more, no point even lookin' fer it." Sheesh. C Chris Womack jcwomack@earthlink.net Keeper of the DGML (Ret'd.) The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Til Eulenspiegel [duggerj1@home.com] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 2:20 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Innocent bystander trouble. [snip] > What would Delta Green do about her? > > - Termination? Doesn't really sound like DG to me. > Heheheheheheheh. He don't know us very well, do he? A bullet makes so much less trouble than the following. > - Put her under medication in a mental hospital with a faked history > I'm with Davide. If you follow this course, do this: First, shot her chock-full of PCP or LSD or any other good psychotomimetic drug. Second, rub her nose in the rotting corpses of her family and friends. Third, tell her "This is ALL YOUR FAULT!" Fourth, repeat steps two and three for a couple of hours; repeat step one if needed. Fifth, drop her off somewhere in the nearest Big City to join all the other homeless crazies. > [Long, contrived and unlikely story redacted] > No matter what your players decide, y'all's next adventure has already taken shape. You will title it "But What About Jane Doe?" Let me suggest three novel approaches. First, see if anybody your characters know needs a witness. Perhaps the Fate would like a budding young victim^H^H^H^H^H recruit. If Stephen Alzis hasn't yet appeared in your game, this is an excellent opportunity for the Devil to offer "a really good deal." (TM) Second, does anyone in your DG history know about MAJESTIC's memory-erasing drugs or OUTLOOK? Perhaps A Cell could arrange a deal where MJ-12 takes care of the witness in return for DG turning a blind eye or giving up some choice bit of blackmail. (See _Rules of Engagement_ for more along this line.) The third option, and my second-favorite after the special medicine suggestion above, is to turn this problem into an advantage. This girl could very easily disappear. She's probably never been fingerprinted, and few if any photos of her still survive. With very little work, this young woman will absolutely vanish. This makes her utterly dependent upon DG. This give them the opportunity to train an agent from a comparatively early age. Stop laughing, dammit! I'm serious! Look, ANDREA won't live forever (I hope) and let's face it: she's not getting any younger (I hope). But with this young woman, ANDREA can pass on her skills for the next generation of DG. This girl could be Robin to ANDREA's Batman; Skipper to her Barbie; Huey, Dewey, and Louie to her Uncle Scrooge. And if she's got good looks (not singing talent) this young lady could be the next B. Spears and warn teenyboppers and pedophiles everywhere of the horrors of the Mythos through backmasked song-lyrics. I think I better go lie down now. -- Jay Dugger : Til Eulenspiegel duggerj1@home.com : til_e@hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------- Paradise is exactly like where you are right now, but much, much better. --Laurie Anderson The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 2:26 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: [Mason File] other candidates In a message dated Thu, 16 Nov 2000 5:06:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, void if removed writes: << "being there" peter sellars. long movie. watch it to the very end. then you too will know. so amazingly blatent you will verge on wetting yourself. >> Quite blatant. S P O I L E R At the funeral at the end of the film, the pallbearers of the billionaire that died are discussing who they will make the next president of the US as they deposit the coffin in a pyramid shaped crypt capped with an eye in a triangle. Very Masonic\Illuminati. Mark McFadden The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 2:35 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Innocent bystander trouble. In a message dated Thu, 16 Nov 2000 3:22:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, Til Eulenspiegel writes: << First, shot her chock-full of PCP or LSD or any other good psychotomimetic drug. Second,rub her nose in the rotting corpses of her family and friends. Third, tell her "This is ALL YOUR FAULT!" Fourth, repeat steps two and three for a couple of hours; repeat step one if needed. Fifth, drop her off somewhere in the nearest Big City to join all the other homeless crazies. >> While doing Step Three above, you should reinforce the learning experience by swatting her with a rolled up newspaper. It doesn't leave any marks and really doesn't hurt much, but the sound is very frightening. Also, if you scare the pee out of them you have something on hand to wipe up the mess. Uh, be sure that she is neutered before being set out on the street, we have a growing homeless problem and we don't want to make it any worse. Mark McFadden The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Eckhard Huelshoff [EHuelshoff@t-online.de] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 2:52 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Innocent bystander trouble. Davide Mana schrieb: [snip] > > In other words: drop the girl in containment and let simmer for 24 hours. > No isolation, mind you, just a firm "We're holding you for your own good". > > At this point, have her interviewed by someone she has never seen before, > better if with professional psychological training. That's the reason why in my campaigns there are many DG-friendly shrinks. Actually: In my campaigns exists an institution, an asylum that just exists for those purposes: The [ fictional ] "St. John of Gods"-Catholic Hospital for the Insane in NorfolK, VA. Founded in 1895 by the Catholic priests, it was later used by P-Division to host the victims of the mythos. Later it became the semi-official "DG-Asylum for former agents and witnesses of the mythos". Even after the official end of DG the asylum continued to exist, thanks to its former semi-official status. This is just a brief summary of St.John of Gods. If anybody's interested I might send a fully detailed description. ECKHARD The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 3:41 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: DG: Re: Pyramid alignment http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPage.taf?file=/nature/journal/v408/n6810/a bs/408320a0_fs.html or go to http://www.nature.com And click on the obvious link, then on "full text". The pyramids were not aligned on the Polaris, which was some distance from true North at the time, but on the chord between two other stars, one in the greater and one in the lesser Bear. This alignment shifted slightly over time. Because of this the dates of the Pyramids' building can be calculated to within five year (it is claimed). ---- **** ---- I wonder what will be the last land inhabited by humanity? Assuming some of us survive the EndTimes. Presumably the last human race, far in the future, are the "Dark Conquerors", from whom will come the sorcerer Nug-Soth who we hear about in "The Shadow Out Of Time". But "Nug-Soth" has a vaguely Egyptian ring, to my ears. Will it not be appropriate if the last surviving human culture is in Egypt? The Glove Cleaner The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 3:48 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Innocent bystander trouble. ----- Original Message ----- From: Til Eulenspiegel > This girl could be Robin to ANDREA's Batman; Skipper > to her Barbie; Huey, Dewey, and Louie to her Uncle Scrooge. And if she's > got good looks (not singing talent) this young lady could be the next B. > Spears and warn teenyboppers and pedophiles everywhere of the horrors of > the Mythos through backmasked song-lyrics. > I think I better go lie down now. Yes, why not recruit her? Why not try, anyhow, before you waste her? I guess in game terms she could be hard to play, but if this was a real-life situation she could turn into a real scrapper. Hitler youth, child soldiers. It's only our cultural prejudices that say a person is weak and tender and not an adult at 16. the Glove Cleaner The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Charles Ripper [yeroshka7@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 4:03 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Pyramid alignment Andy Robertson xie: > >Presumably the last human race, far in the future, are the "Dark >Conquerors", from whom will come the sorcerer Nug-Soth who we hear about in >"The Shadow Out Of Time". > >But "Nug-Soth" has a vaguely Egyptian ring, to my ears. That's because you haven't exposed yourself to the mind-bending consonant clusters of the Tibetan language. 'Btsang,' 'Rtang,' and other grouping have that Mythos-esque look to them. They make Welsh look almost sensible. And on the appropriateness scale, though Egypt is number two only to Atlantis, Tibet certainly ranks in the top ten. Ch.R _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Joseph Camp [alphonse@delta-green.com] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 4:28 PM To: dgrpg Subject: DG: Fwd: [PR] Delta Green webmaster wanted Pagan Publishing is seeking a webmaster for its site http://www.delta-green.com/. Normal duties amount to a single monthly update, consisting of HTML-izing fan-submitted materials to join the substantial quantity of content already online and whatever creative projects the webmaster feels inspired to pursue. This pays $50/month, paid quarterly. You also get an email address @delta-green.com. Candidates need basic HTML and design skills. The site is done in good old HTML, rather than ASP or any other database flummery. Our previous webmaster leveraged his extensive work on the DG site into a professional career in web production. His success could be yours! Or at least you could have some fun. Graphic-design overhauls and similarly ambitious projects are welcome, but are not part of the job. Still, if it'll help your resume we're happy to accomodate you. To apply, send email to John Tynes, rev@tccorp.com. Include your name and full contact info, skills & experience, and URLs to web pages you've created or administered. References are welcome. Familiarity with Pagan's Delta Green roleplaying game products is required. The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 4:47 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Innocent bystander trouble. On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Eckhard Huelshoff wrote: > The [ fictional ] "St. John of Gods"-Catholic Hospital for the Insane in > NorfolK, VA. Founded in 1895 by the Catholic priests, it was later used > by P-Division to host the victims of the mythos. Later it became the > semi-official "DG-Asylum for former agents and witnesses of the mythos". > Even after the official end of DG the asylum continued to exist, thanks > to its former semi-official status. I wonder what would happen if I were drop a few fuel-air munitions on the place... The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven [THE 7th CHEMICAL] http://www.emerald-hammer.org [EMERALD HAMMER] The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Andy Robertson [andywrobertson@clara.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 4:34 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Pyramid alignment ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Ripper > >But "Nug-Soth" has a vaguely Egyptian ring, to my ears. > > That's because you haven't exposed yourself to the mind-bending consonant > clusters of the Tibetan language Hmmmm. Now I recall something in HPL's letters about the names of the godlets "Nug" and "Yeb" being supposed to recall Thibetan name forms . . . . the assumption being that these names are the forms given by whichever human culturess first encountered the GOO. So maybe Nug-Soth is Tibetan. The Glove Cleaner The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 4:51 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Re: Pyramid alignment On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Andy Robertson wrote: > http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPage.taf?file=/nature/journal/v408/n6810/a > bs/408320a0_fs.html > The pyramids were not aligned on the Polaris, which was some distance from > true North at the time, but on the chord between two other stars, one in the > greater and one in the lesser Bear. The three Great Pyramids were also lined up to match the three stars in Orion's Belt. As above so below. I'm sure there are other structures that correlate to Beteleguese and the other stars of the Orion Constellation. The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven [THE 7th CHEMICAL] http://www.emerald-hammer.org [EMERALD HAMMER] The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Graeme Price [graemep@immagene.MCG.EDU] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 5:07 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Fwd: [PR] Delta Green webmaster wanted >Pagan Publishing is seeking a webmaster for its site [snip] Hmm. This would seem like a good time to send a list vote of thanks to Shane for his sterling efforts with the DG website over the past year or so. I think I can speak for all of us in saying he's done a great job with it. Graeme graemep@immag.mcg.edu The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of void if removed [turner23@thehub.com.au] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 4:28 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: [Mason File] other candidates LizardRoi@aol.com wrote: > > << "being there" peter sellars. long movie. watch it to the very end. then > you too will know. so amazingly blatent you will verge on wetting yourself. >> > > Quite blatant. > > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > > At the funeral at the end of the film, the pallbearers of the billionaire > that died are discussing who they will make the next president of the US as > they deposit the coffin in a pyramid shaped crypt capped with an eye in a > triangle. Very Masonic\Illuminati. > Mark McFadden oh. good one, mark. now who's gonna sit through the entire movie when they know they can just fast forward to the end for the good bit. although the funkyfied version of "also sprach zarathustra" ala 2001 : a space oddesey is always worth it in my books as well. of course, you have been kind enough not to tell them about the very last shot/scene in the movie, as well..... agent fiend blue tongued frill necked lizards. they walk on their hind legs, y'know The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Shane Ivey [sivey@zealot.com] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 6:03 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: RE: DG: Fwd: [PR] Delta Green webmaster wanted Thanks, Graeme. I took over delta-green.com about two years ago, and it was a terrific opportunity for me to develop my meager design skills and work with John, Scott, and Dennis in putting their awesome work in front of the Internet audience. The Pagans are amazingly patient bosses, and they made running the website a great experience. I would love to keep running Delta-Green.com indefinitely, but I simply lack the time: my "day" job keeps me going about 70 hours a week, plus miscellaneous projects and tasks that come up and require drop-everything attention. And, of course, I have kids that need a dad in the off hours. All that is to say that I have had a great time with Delta-Green.com, and I recommend the gig highly to anyone with a little web skill and even a fraction of my love for the Delta Green setting. Shane Ivey Web Administrator, Hecklers Entertainment, Inc. ANT.com - Zealot.com AOL Keywords: ANT, Zealot > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com [mailto:owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com]On > Behalf Of Graeme Price > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 5:07 PM > To: dgrpg@delta-green.com > Subject: Re: DG: Fwd: [PR] Delta Green webmaster wanted > > > >Pagan Publishing is seeking a webmaster for its site > > [snip] > > Hmm. This would seem like a good time to send a list vote of thanks to > Shane for his sterling efforts with the DG website over the past year or > so. I think I can speak for all of us in saying he's done a great job with > it. > > Graeme > > graemep@immag.mcg.edu > > > The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ > > > The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of The Man in Black [mib@cyberspace.org] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 6:28 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Fwd: [PR] Delta Green webmaster wanted On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Graeme Price wrote: > Hmm. This would seem like a good time to send a list vote of thanks to > Shane for his sterling efforts with the DG website over the past year or > so. I think I can speak for all of us in saying he's done a great job with > it. Speak for yourself, Bacteria-Boy! I would just like to take this opportunity to say that Shane Ivey, aka "the Croakfather", alias Croaker Jr., Alias Agent Christopher, aka "BedWetting Doody-Head" is nothing more than a SLACKER who works 12 hour days because he's too lazy and incompetant to finish the work in eight like a normal person. As DGML Commissioner, I am sick of this roody-poo behavior. Croaker Jr. will face Jesse "The Governor" Ventura in a steel cage at the next Pay-per view: DGML Painful Lacerations, with special Guest Referee: Alex Trebec. I am also proud to announce the "Last Dave Standing" match between SuperDave Farnell, Davide "The Italian Stallion" Mana, and "Dangerous" Dave K. As always, my decisions... [brandishes Emerald Gavel] ...ARE FINAL~! [Bangs Emerald Gavel with Authority] The Man in Black is : just plain mean. Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/seven [THE 7th CHEMICAL] http://www.emerald-hammer.org [EMERALD HAMMER] The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 6:50 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: [Re: DG: Japan?] In a message dated Thu, 16 Nov 2000 7:04:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, Nick Brownlow writes: << Nothing here either. I'm starting to worry about the part which said it was a *French* news agency behind the report... >> Forgive the how you say? premature ejaculation regardez the earthquake. She has not happened yet. We blame the date notation of the pigdog Americans and their mm/dd/yyyy silly person standards. We recommend stockpiling potable water, preferably Perrier, and moving breakable objects as suitable activitie until further notice. We apology for the inconvenience, but hasten to assure vous that any problems avec Godzilla, Cthulhu and Greenpeace will soon be a thing of the past. Pierre LaGrenouille Directeur des Exécutions Service Aléatoires Nucléaires des Incidents The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Edward Lipsett [translation@intercomltd.com] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 7:04 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: [Re: DG: Japan?] Dear Mssr. La Grenouille, Thank you for your email of this date. As previously discussed on the (I believe) MZ-Mecha mailing list, we would like to inform you that the Japanese government has enacted strict laws dealing with the disposal of the carcasses of giant monsters on Japanese soil, or within Japanese territorial waters. The Law for the Protection of the Environment from Large Masses of Dead Meat (otherwise known as Ultraman's Clean-up Law) requires the deposit of gold bullion in a tonnage equivalent to the tonnage of the monster designated to be turned into hamburger, by any agency intending to carry out such threat. After the carcass is appropriately disposed of, such as, for example, in the annual Giant Monster Beach Bar-B-Q and Potluck Dinner in Yokohama, the deposit will be returned minus a small handling fee. Thank you for your understanding. Kakuei Tanaka, Director Environment Agency Japan LizardRoi@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated Thu, 16 Nov 2000 7:04:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, Nick > Brownlow writes: > > << Nothing here either. I'm starting to worry about the part which said it > was a *French* news agency behind the report... >> > > Forgive the how you say? premature ejaculation regardez the earthquake. She > has not happened yet. We blame the date notation of the pigdog Americans and > their mm/dd/yyyy silly person standards. > > We recommend stockpiling potable water, preferably Perrier, and moving > breakable objects as suitable activitie until further notice. > > We apology for the inconvenience, but hasten to assure vous that any > problems avec Godzilla, Cthulhu and Greenpeace will soon be a thing of the > past. > > Pierre LaGrenouille > Directeur des ExÈcutions > Service AlÈatoires NuclÈaires des Incidents > The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of LizardRoi@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 7:06 PM To: dgrpg@delta-green.com Subject: Re: DG: Fwd: [PR] Delta Green webmaster wanted Why I can remember when Shane first began mastering the Website. That was back in the pre-graphics days and the Delta Green site was an ASCII display site running off a 2400 baud modem. Just as well, the mouse hadn't been developed yet. The legacy of those days is the distinctive green-on-black terminal look that we had all come to know and love. There were some scuffles over a "new look" when amber and paper-white monitors began to appear, but cooler heads prevailed and we have remained true to our roots. Of course, Shane had more time for the laborious manual entry in those pre-children, pre-marriage, pre-puberty days. Inevitably, as it did for so many from those days, his long hours and time before the screen led to a tragic porn addiction, but he has since joined a 23 Step program and has it under control a day at a time. Learning to type with both hands helped immensely. Mark McFadden The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/ From: owner-dgrpg@delta-green.com on behalf of Joseph Camp [alphonse@delta-green.com] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 7:10 PM To: dgrpg Subject: Re: DG: Fwd: [PR] Delta Green webmaster wanted Indeed, CO Christopher did an excellent job of managing the site's transition from a small indulgence to a glorious explosion of content. The site has been consistently serving up 800-1000 page views every day for the last year or so, a very happy amount of traffic indeed. Hopefully his new assignment at OUTLOOK Group will go equally well. be seeing you, Alphonse The Delta Green Mailing List http://www.delta-green.com/comint/dgml/